19 ( +1 | -1 ) Transferrability of ChessMany claim that chess teaches skills, attitudes, and insights applicable to other aspects of life. Is this only hype or can anyone demonstrate that transfer?
78 ( +1 | -1 ) to blatmanyour statement seems quite confusing . how can they be highly intelligent people .... but complete idiots at the same time?? appears to me that an idiot can not be a highly intelligent person.!?? my dad's friends many are very strong chessplayers and none are idiots . if shipwrecked on an island which would you rather have there with you an average everyday joe with no chess ability , an idiot or an intelligent strong chess player. ??? i say much learned on a chess board can and often is used in real life . for example i have to carefully consider each move at my game , so now i tend to do the same in real life decision making . Of course not to say all chess players carry it over into thier dayly lives. but i suspect many do. yours bluebabygirl
45 ( +1 | -1 ) Chesshelps to develop analytical and problem solving skills that can be implemented in other situations. It also enhances the ability to think logically which is useful for decision making.
In response to Blatman - I think he was trying to say that many individuals are brilliant and geniuses on the chessboard but they often have trouble functioning in real life because their minds are much more advanced then the average person.
88 ( +1 | -1 ) i thinkblatman's comment can be interpreted in many ways..
i'm not sure if he meant people who are just good at chess tend to be idiots in other aspects of life
he could have meant that they were all around geniuses with no common sense..
but all in all.. i think his comment was pretty stupid and underdeveloped..
either they are stupid people and strong chess players, smart people and strong chess players, stupid people and weak chess players, or stupid people and strong chess players..
he said smart and strong chess players.. so why would they be idiots if they were smart? cause he was just was just spouting out old 'geniuses have no common sense' jibberish that people have been saying for hundreds of years to try to make themselves feel better about not being geniuses.
62 ( +1 | -1 ) We're attacking a straw-man here. Throughout history people have claimed that chess would actually improve the *moral* qualities of a person, as well as his/her capacity for logical thought, e.g. you can't take back a move, so you learn from your mistakes, etc.
Psychologists today aren't even convinced that playing chess makes you anything other than a better chess player! The one thing logic and chess have in common is their immense difficulty when you begin advanced study, and the creativity and boldness that is necessary to advance new solutions in both spheres.
45 ( +1 | -1 ) anaxagorasI think you put it perfectly. I honestly don't see how chess would change your thinking at all.
It DEFINITELY has changed the way I play games though. When I learn a new game like Go Checkers Othello.. etc.. obviously I'm vastly superior to the novice because I understand the concept of analyzing my position and using theoretical concepts to advance ur position.
But outside of games it doesn't make a difference.
Maybe in discipline it does make a general difference though.
72 ( +1 | -1 ) Benjamin Franklin thought that it helped in theseareas: "The Game of Chess is not merely an idle amusement; several very valuable qualities of the mind, useful in the course of human life, are to be acquired and strenghtened by it, so as to become habits ready on all occasions; for life is a kind of Chess, in which we have points to gain, and competition or adversaries to contend with, and in which there is a vast variety of good and ill events, that are, in some degree, the effect of prudence, or want of it. By playing at Chess then, we may learn: First, Foresight...
And lastly, We learn by Chess the habit of not being discouraged by present bad appearances in the state of our affairs; the habit of hoping for a favorable chance, and that of persevering in the secrets of resources
48 ( +1 | -1 ) itsounds.. from the way he worded all that that he was an amateur at chess..
I always found benjamin franklin a little annoying.. especially when he dabbled in mathematics.. his so-called contributions to mathematics seemed like those of a clever schoolchild.. though I'm sure he considered them brilliant and the average person would see them as brilliant too. but anyone who knows anything about math would realize there was nothing special about them in the least.
22 ( +1 | -1 ) BF also said something like: 'when you're not working, you may as well be throwing money into the ocean.' (not a direct quote) It's no wonder that Weber called the protestant ethic petty, for which BF was the poster boy.
58 ( +1 | -1 ) My unfortunate experienceof chessplayers is that advances in chess rating does not at all increase one's integrity, character, situation understanding, wisdom, or decision making for almost all players.
For me, however, I have experienced vast changes in these areas of life, even at my advaned age. In conflict situations with another individual or group, I have become far more competitive.
I suggest chess can be learnt technically or liberally. When learnt technically, there is only imagined transferrability. However, when learnt liberally, transferrability is easy and more than likely automatic.
26 ( +1 | -1 ) BFI don't know if he was any good at chess but I suspect that the way he expressed himself was in the idiom of his day, obviously.
Chess has one clear benefit: it excersises the brain. I go to the gym for my body and play chess for my brain. If you don't use it you lose it,
The Great Blatman(knows a bloody fool when he sees one)
13 ( +1 | -1 ) chess transferabilityi think so. my chess knowledge have helped me play draughts and gothic chess. neither very well though.
166 ( +1 | -1 ) I think blatman wasoriginally referring to the idiot-savante. Like Luzhin in Nabakov's novel, the brilliant chess genius didn't even know what town he was in when he was left alone.
As to the good Doctor's comment, I think there can be transferrance from sound chess thinking into life. But it probably should be taught to the student that such transferrance is possible rather than leave the student to discover the possibility for him/herself. I myself often ponder the amazing metaphor for life that I find in chess. I often wonder exactly where I am in my game. I feel I have just emerged from a bad opening, and I am entering them middlegame at a slight disadvantage. Sometimes I drive down the road and all of a sudden I feel the cars on the highway are forming a pawn wall marching along with me, or against me. But that is neither here nor there. The thing about chess, like life, is the "infinite" possibility within a restricted set of rules. It is about patterns. While no two games are usually the same, you still have the same rules that apply to each game. I'm talking about the basic moves as rules. It is the same in life. You can find yourself in any situation, yet you must still operate under the basic rules of life. It is up to the chess player and the liver to make the most from their situation without breaking the basic rules. Then again, perhaps I have just disproved the point I was trying to make by this rambling disorganized flow of consciousness. Chess may just scramble the brains. Although it was probably the drugs, right blatman? heh heh
107 ( +1 | -1 ) WinslowI found your statements worthwhile, despite its rambling. Understanding the rules, piece characteristics, and board constraints, may seem simple. Yet, the deeper we understand them, the better chessers we become. Understanding a position, in terms of its forcing, requiring, and constraining qualities, helps in assessment and planning.
I believe we can teach this method to others for non-chess life situations. Before one whimsically tries to injure an enemy, it is prudent to check the law in the geographic area. This may appear obvious. However, even master-level players ignore this simple task in matters of dealing with personal opponents.
Understanding the requiring nature of option depletion sharpens one to select a sounder strategy. If, for example, there are two schools to choose from, one should sharpen his skills to immediately apply at the school of choice.
If a chesser, of any rating above 1000 could understand the transferability of chessic skill to other life situations, and communicate it in a mastrerful way, he or she could write a book and make a living off of consulting fees and seminars.
19 ( +1 | -1 ) Well then, Good Doctor,That sounds like just the job for you. I always enjoy reading your posts. You do have quite a masterful command of the language. I would like a note in the Acknowledgements, please. ;)
15 ( +1 | -1 ) mmmIn chess there are rules which create an unaviodable conclusion - can we say the same about life?( beyond using chess as a weak metaphor)
99 ( +1 | -1 ) Well,life is a lot more complicated and textured then chess. There are more variables and whatnot. But then again, we can say the same thing about life as about chess. There are rules which create progress toward an unavoidable conclusion. In chess it is win, lose, or draw. In life, it is rather the same. We can be successful, achieve what we really want to do in life(win). Or we can flounder with no direction and slowly die a pointless death of alcoholism or drug addiction or starvation(lose). Or we could fear trying to do what we really want to and settle for safety and security doing something we care nothing about.(draw) But there are always unknowns, like unexpected death(9/11, sniper killers, hit by car, beach umbrella through the heart). Regardless, in life we still have to follow certain rules in order to live in a society with other people, and there are the rules of the universe like physics and aging and death(the ultimate inevitable conclusion).