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chris21 41 ( +1 | -1 )
Playing as black? I was wondering. When you play as black do you play for the win or do you try your hardest to stop your opponent beating you?

It's just that I've read a draw is much more acceptable for black than it is for white, I presume this is because white's task is to attack so a draw means his attack has failed?

Is it wise to play very safe as black and only try to win if an opportunity presents itself?

Thanks:)
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galan 17 ( +1 | -1 )
That depends upon the enemy, I think. Against some people one is happy if one is not being beaten with *white*.

Nevertheless, I always play for winning.
spurtus 79 ( +1 | -1 )
I play to lose, I can lose with both black or white! ;O)

... sorry!

Really though, it doesnt ever phase me whether I'm black or white, in fact I prefer to play black. This is because I tend to ignore the tempo advantage that white has ( rightly or wrongly I dunno? ), I kind of figure that one tempo advantage is not enough advantage to launch a big attack nevermind play for a draw.

I heard somewhere (not sure of the figures here) that 2 tempi are worth 1 material point or something like that, which is an interesting way to evaluate your question.

I usually only play for a draw if I am badly losing on material value say down 2 points or so, which is far more drastic than one lost tempo.

Regards,
Spurtus.


ccmcacollister 141 ( +1 | -1 )
Winning ?!... HI Chris. To put last things first, before I forget here...It's highly position dependent. But at the beginning of the game, as in "gambit", I consider a pawn to be worth 2.5 meaningful tempi. What's a 1/2 tempo ?!! A way of saying your doing well to get 3 tempi or not quite enough to only get 2. But you have to add in things like significant open files, etc.
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If you are a GM vs GM I suppose, the practical thing is to "play your hardest not to get beat". Succeeding, you have equalized. And then have a choice as to how you view things. Some will see it as having probably saved a 1/2 point, others as now having a chance for a full point.
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I see it differently for class play. The difference being...even as WT the GM player knows all but perhaps the most subtle twists of the openings he'll face. You opp may well not know your BL opening nearly as well as you. You may in fact have an advantage in Black.You still have to level the game first. But after that, why not put aside drawing thoughts once you (and if you) achieve that. And play it for what its worth.
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But it depends where you want to go. You learn the most by continuing. But will take some losses too. If your goal is to attain a title, then there is no choice. Play every game for what it is worth. Yet without overpressing foolishly nor beating dead positions.(as is "beating a dead horse"...not as in "winning them").
You then need an attitude. It is : "when I'm not losing, I'm winning!".
Good Chess to you.
anaxagoras 26 ( +1 | -1 )
I begin every game of chess with the intention to win. Otherwise, what's the point? I know that both my opponent and I are going to make some weak moves, maybe not blunders, but weak moves that can be taken advantage of, so why not play for the win!?
atrifix 57 ( +1 | -1 )
Basically In strong tournaments (or matches) you can't afford to lose many games if you want to win the tournament (or money). Even one loss sets you back quite a bit. You don't ever want to lose, especially with White, because White has around a 53% advantage. But if you draw every game, you won't win either. Either way, it doesn't really make a difference, because you (almost) always want to play the best moves, and you can assume your opponent will play the best moves as well. So you should take advantage of any opportunities you get, winning or drawing, and avoid losing.
jstack 33 ( +1 | -1 )
draw with black-win with black Personally, it depends what defence I am playing. When I am playing the french defence I am often happy with a draw...especially in the exchange variation. Its only when my opponent makes a mistake I start thinking seriously about a win. But, when I am using the kings Indian defence I am playing for a win all the way...regardless of who the opposition is.
ccmcacollister 29 ( +1 | -1 )
jstack...you are very fortunate! A simple change in attitude will net you some points. I can think of 3 players who perform over 2400 in the French, that would tell you: When WT plays the Exchange Variation against you is exactly when to Start playing for a Win! The burdon is on White in that line.
atrifix 18 ( +1 | -1 )
Agreed I play the French almost exclusively, and when White plays the Exchange variation against me, I feel like I already have the draw in hand, so why not play for more?
tyekanyk 17 ( +1 | -1 )
exchange french I was told that Rogozenko loved playing the exchange french, for black that is. He said it was a petroff with some extra tempi thrown in for comfort.
jstack 67 ( +1 | -1 )
I remember an OTB game I was a half point behind the leader in the last round. I wasn't paired with the leader but obviously I still had to play for a win. We were in exchange variation. It was obvious he was playing for a draw or at least an end game. He exchanged pieces at every opportunity. I could have drawn easily but trying for a win at all costs I lost. I wish I still had the game score then we could have a real discussion about it. I've had some exchange french games here at gameknot. But to tell you the truth the quality of these games is poor. The results were dependant on obvious mistakes. Does anybody have some good examples of black wins?
jstack 59 ( +1 | -1 )
Similar to petroff? This sounds interesting to me but I can't figure out how black is a few tempos up in the exchange french move over the normal petroff.

In the petroff
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.d4 d5 Line black already has his knight on e4.

and in the exchange 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 Line black doesn't have anything developed and since it is whites move white retains the advantage of having the first move for the time being. But it does seem quite playable; it would have never occurred to me the french exchange is similar to the petroff. Anybody have any games in playing the french exchange like a petroff?






paulberg 35 ( +1 | -1 )
Always play to win! White does start out with a slight tempo advantage, but most wins are the result of thier opponent blundering. Usually, you're move for move until a blunder where one goes down a piece or you draw. It is always about the win. Play to win and hope your opponent blunders before you do.

Good luck and God bless.
pauL
kyros60 19 ( +1 | -1 )
I always play for the win at least until it becomes obvious that im going to lose. then I try for the draw. Seems like a wasted chance to win if you play to draw from the start.