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Crazy name, real matters
Crazy name, real matters
cairo
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Prodigy interesting article here: www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=959
Best wishes
Cairo
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myway316
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I had the fortune ...or misfortune, to play young Fabiano,in a Polgar CC event,3 years ago. One of the worst beatings I've ever taken on the chessboard,got crushed in 21 moves. One of the prime reasons that convinced me to give up OTB chess shortly thereafter!
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aggropolis
17 ( +1 | -1 )
Nice Maybe we have another prodigy closer to us karjahkin . Someone skilled care to test him?
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superblunder
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I tried... to challenge karjahkin , but he has too many active games.
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lespaul
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Amazing... For someone so young to have so much talent.
But I wonder... if every person in the world was offered $50,000 a year for chess coaching... would we see more like him?
Maybe not...
Aggropolis -- That IS quite an impressive record, so far...
perhaps gameknot.com/stats.pl?Cairo should play him :)
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brucehum
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Karjahkin is a GM! Karjahkin is a GM in OTB chess! It will be tough for whomever plays him.
desertfox
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Sergei Karjahkin became a GM at the age of 12, while Bobby Fischer did it at the age of 15 (a reminder for those who forgot). Would be interesting to see him and Cyrano crossing swords.
Desertfox
clemens
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Do you guys think this is the real Karjakin here on GK?
Nah.
I mean, come on, he is even misspelled.
aggropolis
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Well karjakin also exists but I guess he made a new one. And yes, I think that is the real deal. I hope so anyway.
clemens
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Oh well. After all, we also have karpov, kasparov, and, oh, don't forget fischer. Only the greats play here on GK. And, believe it or not, lasker! And you thought he was dead....
aggropolis
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1, It is less probable that anyone chose Karjahkin's name.
2, If it is him then I think all doubters will drive him off. We should at least give players some chance before judging. I mean, why not?
clemens
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Okay, I admit, there is a slight possibility that it is really him, however I don't really see how it would be attractive to an international grandmaster to join a site like this and wipe everyone off the board, apart from the fact that he probably has to spend time enough on "serious" chess studies.
cairo
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I don't know if karjahkin is the "real deal", but if he is, I'm not sure as clemens is, that he can wipe everyone off in here?!
I would like to see who can wipe off players like: mladen, cyrano, florinserban, mestrinho, nottop, duchess, just to mentioned few. With all due respect, but because you are a GM at OTB chess, doesn't automatically means you can wipe out CC-players, here at GK!
Best wishes
Cairo
schachfruend
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Second the motion Our young GK "prodigy" has yet been tested and found wanting by the players Cairo has mentioned, but I beleive it is much too early to be quantifying his prowess as he is new and probably not quite familiar to the site. Give him time to dip his toes in the water before you sharks have lunch!!! Maybe we should be welcoming the young man here instead of subjecting him to scrutiny and tongue wagging? Just a thought.....
cairo
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I totally support that of schachfruend and it was not very polite of me, not writing in a BIG welcome to karjahkin, it doesn't matter if he is GM or not, he is very welcome no matter what :-))
All the best
Cairo
indiana-jay
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Quite interesting to me that Cairo seems to over-estimate CC players over OTB while I do under-estimate CC players. So I really want to see the players mentioned above having a few games with this karjahkin.
I don't think that karjahkin will need some form of adaptation with this site or Correspondence Chess. I believe any GMs are familiar with analysis-based games, especially in their opening study. And may be he is just boring with his lunch in OTB chess. ;)
cairo
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Speaking of the devil, have a look here:
www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=963
Best wishes
Cairo
raimon
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I agree with cairo.
Welcome karjarkin
I take most things at face value (it makes my life a lot simpler) so there is no doubt in my mind that GK is now in the privileged position of having this young GM playing here.
raimon
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I am displaying my ignorance here but can anyone explain to me how karjahkin from Ukraine and fer1 from Spain play from the same computer.
Are they on some sort of network?
gambitnut
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I was confused by that also The only thing I can think of is that Karjahkin was having trouble getting online to make his moves and either was visiting a friend and used his computer or called his friend and asked him to make some moves for him. While his friend was at it, he started his own account. I doesn't appear that he's used it though.
zdrak
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It is a known fact that professional GMs travel a lot - and Spain is a popular destination for chess tournaments. Also, note that if player A and player B played from the same computer even once, they will forever be marked in Gk's server "memory" as playing from same computer.
I hope this explanation will suffice ?
schaakhamster
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About OBT GM's and CC Ulf Andersson is a recent very succesful example. And lets not forget my countryman , the late Alberic O'Kelly de Galway (Belgian): OTB GM and CC worldchampion
superblunder
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Correspondance Chess. excerpt from a recent article in Chess Life, by Fide Master Alex Dunne....
"What the computers have demonstrated is that even human GMs rated over 2700 (kasparov and kramnik) make too many errors at OTB time limits. But the computers have still not met a challenge offered in 1987, nor are they likely to do so for quite awhile.
The Reynolds Challenge was offered to an unhearing computer world. After all it was "just" correspondance chess. DR. Robert Reynolds, then ranked sixth on the ICCF rating list, proposed a match for a small stake against any computer playing at the standard 10 moves in 30 days. No computer team has accepted this challenge for good, if surprisong reasons. At first consideration one might expect that a computer analyzing millions of moves per second would have a crushing advantage over a human. But the tree of possible moves grows exponentially. If a computer could exhaustively analyze to a depth of seven ply (3.5 moves) in three minutes, three days would typically give it only nine to ten ply, depending on the position. Except in positions where mate can be forced or where it can connect to an endgame tablebase, the extra 3 half moves would add little to its evaluation strength."
levigun
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The real Karjakin? I'm playing him right now. We already played one
game and he beat me soundly, but I'm pretty sure
that it's not the GM. Too bad, because it would be
neat to say that I lost to the great Sergei Karjakin.
Here are my reasons for thinking we have an
imposter:
First, I speak Russian. :) He wouldn't respond when
I started up a conversation in Russian while we were
playing here on gameknot. Only when I then wrote
in English did he answer. He said he wanted to
practice his English or Spanish, but that he didn't
want to write in Russian. I offered to write him in
Russian (so I could practice) and let him answer me
in English or Spanish, but he refused. :)
So, we started talking in Spanish (I'm a novice in
Spanish, but I have some basic conversational
skills), and I asked him how many sisters he has. He
said he has one sister. The news article about
Karjakin, posted by Cairo above, says that the real
Sergei Karjakin is an only child. :)
The fact that he wanted to converse only in either
English or Spanish, combined with the fact that
another user on his computer plays in Spain,
combined with the fact that he wouldn't respond or
write to me in Russian makes me think we have an
imposter here.
But that doesn't change the fact that he's been
playing chess pretty well.
indiana-jay
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If it were fun for him to use other people identity, I think it would be fun as well for him to use computer program. :(
mercy
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If he is... If he is using a computer program... I think the top players here will beat him soundly. I usually have not too much trouble beating most computer programs that my friend tries against me (at tournament time controls, not blitz) and I am not among the top ten here at GK, so I am sure players like Florinserban , Cairo , Cyrano , Duchess , and the other top players would have no trouble beating a computer program.
;-Doris
indiana-jay
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Well, partially I'm agree with you mercy. But it's not the computer, it's the player plus the computer...
very_bad_player
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A great thread created by Cairo pointing us to an interesting article about the young prodigy Fabiano is turning into something not so great ... Calling this Karjakin kid an imposter and speculating about program use etc. was not the intention with this thread [I believe] and is just bad taste in my opinion ... Why not give the kid the benefit of the doubt? It seems, he's only 13 years of age and many kids do stunts like putting names of great players in their profile etc. Give him a break and let us see how he performs in the future here at GK .-)
VBP
indiana-jay
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From my part, I was not accussing nobody, just putting a little logic about behaviour etc. Remember that if he is really 13 years of age (like you said) he should be the real Karjakin.
There should be many people here using other people identity or different 5ex or using computer program. That's not a problem with me. Will you be nice with me (or accept my challenges) if I put a 9 years-old-boy picture in my profile? Or a very pretty girl? Mostly I treat people in internet like programs, if you know what I mean. And I think many others do the same thing (that's why we don't hear many complains or speculations)
aggropolis
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I-J Or maybe we just accept that some people think they think, while they're performances show otherwise.
It was quite clear what you implied. Also, I'm not at all surprised that you backed off with a "just putting a little logic about behaviour etc.". Some people make me laugh.
calmrolfe
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Battle of the mini-marvels A titanic battle is expected when young chess prodigy David Howell of the UK takes on young chess prodigy Sergei Karjakin. The special match up between these mini marvels takes place in the UK in June. Each player will then take on allcomers in a large simultaneous event (your chance to play the future World Champion ?)
Kind regards,
Cal
superblunder
32 ( +1 | -1 )
I am playing Sergei. karjahkin and he is extremely strong, he outplayed me in the opening with an anti-meran system with white..and he played extremely fast, I tried to play my best and keep up with his fast play...oops. I think it he's a fine player.
loreta
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The 'common' 'fate' of prodigies :-( I found this text quite interesting
-----------------
Gata Kamsky, who was previously the number three chess player in
the world and who lost a match for the World Chess Championship to
Karpov, after defeating Anand in a match.
Gata Kamsky was born on 2 June 1974 (my, how time flies). It seems
like only yesterday that Gata was just this little kid with his father
towering over him complaining about how some invidious discrimination
or a plot against all Tartars was preventing his son from receiving
the right pairing or some money he was due to get. Gata rarely if ever
said anything in the course of these endless disputes. He just kept
moving the pieces like a chess robot.
This made Gata the most unpopular chess grandmaster in the world.
Although the son can hardly be blamed for the sins of the father, the
chess world was relieved when Rustam announced that Gata was leaving
chess to study medicine, because he could make more money as a doctor
than as a chess player. (Surprise!).
Kamsky had not been seen or heard from in the world of chess since the
1999 FIDE World Championship in Las Vegas. In that event, Kamsky, who
already had not played chess in a few years, won his first round game
against Alexander Khalifman, but later lost the playoff game to
Khalifman. Khalifman won all the rest of his matches and went on to
win the World Chess Championship.
Gata Kamsky was completely dominated and controlled by his father,
Rustam, who was constantly protesting or complaining about this or
that. Kamsky, a child prodigy, got the reputation of being a little
chess robot who made colorless moves and rarely spoke a word.
Gata Kamsky got to America as a 13-year-old defector. He was sent by
the Soviet Union to compete in the New York Open. Once in New York,
his father, Rustam, called a press conference and announced that he
and Gata were defecting because they were being discriminated against
by the Soviet Union because they were Tartars and possibly because
they were Muslims. At first, they were treated with great respect in
their new country, until Rustam started complaining that the Americans
were discriminating against them too! Meanwhile, nobody ever saw Gata
or his father pray to Alla or speak the Tartar language.
So complete was the domination of the son by the father that when they
much later went to Elista, Russia to play a match with Karpov for the
World Chess Championship, a newspaper reporter asked Gata, who by then
was over 21 years old, whether he ever intended to marry. Gata
replied, "You will have to ask my father about that."
Rustam, who had divorced the mother of Gata when Gata was still a
child, later announced that he planned to use this return to Russia as
an opportunity to select a wife for both himself and his son. The
prospective wife would have to be 1) a virgin, 2) very young and 3) a
house-girl willing to sit in the house all day long and not go out.
Gata was famous and dozens of young women mailed their photographs and
resumes to Gata and his father. However, for reasons best known to
them, Gata and his father returned to America wifeless. So sad!
After losing the match to Karpov, Rustam announced that Gata was
quitting chess to study medicine. The chess world was relieved and
happy to see them go. Gata came back only once when he was offered a
large amount of money to play a two-game match against Khalifman in
1999. Gata won the first game but lost the second and then the
play-off game and has not been heard from since.